I first met Elizabeth Church at a book festival (This is why writers adore book festivals. We get to meet the authors we love.) In our case, we instantly bonded, and I love Elizabeth so much, I keep trying to convince her to move next door.
She's the author of THE ATOMIC WEIGHT OF LOVE was touted by the New York Times for its "elegant glimpse into the evolution of love and womanhood." Her new novel, ALL THE BEAUTIFUL GIRLS, about Las Vegas in its heyday, show girls, and the connections we make--and break--is even more glorious. Plus, it has feathers and sequins.
Big hugs and love to you, Elizabeth, for being here.
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Your novel The Atomic Weight of Love won so many awards and
was a mega-seller. Was it at all nerve-wracking to set forth on a new novel? Or
easier because of your huge success?
I actually began
writing All the Beautiful Girls even before I had an agent or sold The Atomic
Weight of Love to a publisher. What was
nerve-wracking with this second novel was showing the manuscript of All the
Beautiful Girls to my first reader, my agent.
I was fearful that she’d have to figure out some diplomatic way of
telling me that I was a one-hit wonder, and that I should find some other way
to pay my living expenses. Since I’ve
often sworn that I’d rather clean toilets for a living than return to
practicing law, failure was not a happy prospect.
What instantly drew me into your fabulous novel was the story world, so alive with the glitter of Vegas, and the glittering personalities like Sammy Davis Jr., Tom Jones. That must have been really fun to research! So tell us about the research—what surprised you? What derailed your plot and sent it in another direction?
What instantly drew me into your fabulous novel was the story world, so alive with the glitter of Vegas, and the glittering personalities like Sammy Davis Jr., Tom Jones. That must have been really fun to research! So tell us about the research—what surprised you? What derailed your plot and sent it in another direction?
Research was a
blast! I loved learning about the
costumes, sixties fashion (including eye makeup especially), the stage sets,
and of course those celebrity personalities.
I read a number of books, but I also discovered some treasure-troves of
images (showgirl photos, costumes, actual menus from Vegas venues),
online. I will say that I ended up with
a lot of bizarre pop-up ads, based on my internet searches. Predictably, there were ads for Vegas airfares
and hotels, but I also received ads for G-strings, club wear, and yes – feather
outlets.
I didn’t plan to write
about what was going on outside of Vegas (Vietnam, the Civil Rights Movement),
but as time wore on, I couldn’t help but think of the contrast between that
city of make-believe and the rest of the world, how strenuously many must have
worked to keep hippies and protestors away from the Strip. I think that was the part of writing this
novel that surprised me most – the insight I gained about growing tumult in
American culture versus commercialism and peoples’ need to escape to places
like Vegas.
I’m curious about why you set it in the Golden Age, rather
than now. How have things changed?
I wrote about the time
when I would have wanted to be in Vegas, versus now. I actually was in Vegas in 1966, but I was a
child – and so all I could do was walk the sidewalks, look up at the vast neon
displays, and wonder what lay behind the doors and curtains. I see classic Vegas as the best time for that
city in the desert. To me, it was a time
of dignity and true class, and of acts that relied solely upon talent – not plastic
showmanship – to entertain. Today’s
Vegas, with its fake tidbits from Paris or Italy, its push to be a “family”
vacation destination – it all rings untrue to me, and it seems a pallid,
watered-down version of what once was.
But, this is all from a woman who loves a good bar – dark ambience,
cigarette smoke, highballs and Manhattans, cocktail dresses, men with ties, and
even clip-on earrings. Maybe my age is
showing….
I don't want to give anything away, but what I thought was
going to happen with her and the Aviator never did—and I actually found that
tremendously satisfying. What were you thinking about when you created the
Aviator?
I originally intended
that the Aviator be present only for a few pages, as the man who killed Lily’s
family. But the Aviator refused to
go. He became – quickly and initially
without my permission – an overarching figure.
And so, I let him stay – and as I wrote, his role became clear. Truthfully, I’m more than a little in love
with the Aviator, with what he comes to represent, the genuine, abiding,
unshakable love he has for Lily. In the
end, he became a way for me to achieve many goals, among which was to pay
homage to a man I dearly loved in “real” life.
So much of All the Beautiful Girls is about power and having
control over our lives, despite former trauma. Even the word “Girls” in the
title indicates that, and there is that haunting half photo of Ruby on the
cover. I know how often covers and titles change, so can you talk about the
process for us?
I had two original
titles for the book. My working title
was “The Tender Places,” which was then replaced by “Map of Venus.” I think “All the Beautiful Girls” says more
than my original titles, though, because it speaks to the beauty in ALL of us,
and in particular to the beauty we all have despite our wounds. In terms of the cover, I absolutely adore
this cover – it shows not only the limelight, the diamonds, and the glamor of
what I try to depict in the novel, but also is enormously feminine. I also quite relish the vivid blue
color. There is another version of the
cover created by my publisher in the United Kingdom. I love that cover, too – which shows a crowd
of showgirls gathered backstage and features the perfect sixties font (I call
it the “Jacqueline Susann font”). Both
cover images capture not only the beauty of female dancers, but also the
accentuation of that beauty through stage makeup and all those elegant
feathers.
I loved the line about having a future, except it doesn’t
look like what you thought it might. Can you talk about this please?
I have to say that
this is one of my favorite aspects of life:
the unpredictability, the humbling that occurs when I’m proven wholly
wrong in my predictions and expectations about what my life will be.
In my writing, I like
to strip away all of my characters’ expectations, their best-made plans. I set out to strip them of comfort and happy
endings, because that is how I think life works. What is interesting, to me, is how a person
reacts to pain, to heartache – how she chooses to be in the wake of loss and
disappointment. I respect resiliency,
and I think we’re all capable of it, if we require more of ourselves. Besides, isn’t life our greatest creative
project? What matters is what we create
for ourselves, each and every day, despite every hurdle that we might
encounter.
What’s obsessing you now and why?
Grief, family
dynamics. The often vastly different
experiences of siblings within the same family, with the same parents. Whether siblings can ever come to terms with
their different upbringings, their competitions and jealousies, and whether
ultimately there can be acceptance of each individual for who she is. These are some of the themes I’m working on
in my third novel.
I was fascinated by the
palmistry. How did you learn so much about it? Do you read palms? Did you have
yours read?
In college, I became fascinated by palm reading and tarot cards. Rather ghoulishly, the scientist in me wanted
to see the palms of recently deceased persons so that I could check their
lifelines, learn whether those lines were accurate in their prediction of life
expectancy. I studied books on palmistry
(and had to refresh my memory for purposes of writing Lily/Ruby’s story), and I
had a few friends who knew some palmistry (one friend had an aunt who claimed
to be psychic). I’ve found that if word
gets out at a party, I will have a line of people asking that I read their
palms. Do I believe in it? Yes – but only in that it is yet another
system by which we can try to understand our lives, the choices we’ve
made.
I once had my palm “professionally” read. I was told that I had a very sparkly aura,
that I was highly psychic, and that I would be reading palms within two years
of that reading. I think I prefer
writing fiction – although some might argue that the two are not that far
apart.
What question didn’t I ask that I should have?
You’ve not asked me
about something I know you understand, Caroline – and that is the mind-boggling
thrill of learning that what I’ve created in the solitude of my home, what’s
arisen in my mind when I walk or swim, has somehow resonated with a
reader. How breathtaking it is to
discover that what I’ve written has touched another life, that my characters’
struggles have found a place in the thoughts of another. I cannot imagine a greater miracle – or any
more striking evidence of the power of the written word.
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