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Portrait of the artist as a young woman dreaming of her bestseller to come |
Debra Jo Immergut is an Edgar award finalist. She is the
author of the novel The Captives,
(June 2018), and Private Property, a
short-story collection. She is a MacDowell and Michener fellow and has an MFA
from the Iowa Writer’s Workshop. A magazine editor and journalist, she has also
taught writing in libraries, military bases, and prisons. Her work has been
published in American Short Fiction, Narrative, and the Russian-language
journal Foreign Literature.Find her on twitter and Instagram at @dimmergut.
AND FOR EVENTS YOU WON'T WANT TO MISS, SCROLL TO THE END!
Debra Jo Immergut's latest novel YOU AGAIN is wracking up the raves--and it deserves every one of them. Just take a look:
Debra Jo Immergut's stunning You
Again…is dreamlike and immersive, like falling into someone else's alternative
reality.
The New York Times
Book Review - Sarah Lyall
A New York Times Book
Review Editors’ Choice
Selected as “A Novel to Read This Summer” by Good Morning America
Debra Jo Immergut’s stunning YOU AGAIN feels eerily
relevant, perfect for this time of deep uncertainty and rapidly shifting
news. It is dreamlike and immersive, like falling into someone else’s
alternative reality. — New York Times Book Review
At once a mind-bending puzzle and a profound meditation on love, fate, ambition,
and regret. — Kirkus Review (starred)
Immergut delivers a furious page-turner. —
Booklist
A swirling, propulsive novel
of suspense …Ambitious and enthralling. —
James A. McLaughlin, author of 2019
Edgar Award winner Bearskin
So accomplished, so glorious—a complete original from page one. — Janet Fitch, author of The Revolution of
Marina M. and Chimes of a Lost
Cathedral
Thank you so, so much for being here, Debra!
I always want to know what was haunting you when you started
writing this novel? And did you find the
answers you expected?
The novel really did begin with a haunting! I was pushing my son’s stroller through a NYC
neighborhood I’d lived in at 22 and didn’t visit anymore. I found myself in
front of my former building and it was so unchanged, I had this strange feeling
that 20-something me would come walking out of the door any second. What would
she say if she saw me? That question stayed with me. I loved my life as a
mother and wife, but I had largely shelved my creative work--and I thought she
might be disappointed by that. I felt compelled to write this novel so I could
see what she might say, how I’d explain my life to her, and how we might come
to terms. I fictionalized it all heavily, created the characters of Abigail
Willard and young A, and those two showed me the way. Writing their story
forced me to clarify my thinking about the struggle to construct a meaningful
life. And we build it with so many disparate elements--work, love, family, home,
self. How do we make it all come together?
Do you think that motherhood and marriage impede a creative
life—as Abigail wonders?
Well, I’m a lousy juggler. Of course there have always been
incredible writers who were also moms—Toni Morrison and Alice Munro, just to
start with the major leaguers! But it wasn’t much talked about, how to manage
it all. When my son was born, it felt like
a kind of isolating oddity, to be writing with a baby in your lap. Now I see so
many women writing essays and posts about pursuing their creative ambitions
with young kids around, putting that part of themselves front and center. This
has everything to do with how women have gained in voice and power in the
literary world, and it’s so heartening. But honestly, most of my struggles were
rooted not in my family, but in myself. I had so much growing up to do. And I think Abigail comes to the same
conclusion, ultimately. It’s not her boys who are in the way. It’s her demons.
The idea of a woman being haunted by her younger self is so
fascinating—because haven’t we all wondered what we would tell ourselves if we
could? But also, as a quantum physics junky, I truly believe that there is no
real time, that all things are happening at once, and we can manipulate that
fabric. Can you talk about that please?
Well, I agree. A lot of my headspace is devoted to memory,
daydreaming, visualizations of future events. Living in some other moment. Just
this morning while I was cleaning house, I had the strongest sense of deja vu,
that time was folding over. I love the work of Brian Greene, who is a Columbia
physicist and a wonderful writer for non-scientists. There is actually some
support for the idea of meeting one’s younger self. Ever since Einstein, it’s
been theorized that everything is happening all at once. If this theory holds
true, then the only thing preventing you from hanging out with Caroline of 1990
is your ability to actually see her.
I really want to talk about the writing strategy of writing
a mystery, and how you know when things are too obvious or red herrings, and
when you know you’re about to surprise everyone. Your plot is so full of twists
and turns that I was breathless. How do you manage to do this and surprise
yourself?
I’m so glad it surprised you. I’m constantly surprised by my
characters’ tendency to stir up trouble. Plot, for me, needs to be rooted in a
deep understanding of these people. The action then flows from shifts in their
desires, the choices they make as they attempt to satisfy those desires, and
choices they make when obstacles get in their way. A dramatic or rapid shift in
desire, or an unforeseen consequence of a choice--these can result in a plot
twist. Twists are about defying expectations—the characters’ or the readers’ or
sometimes even the writer’s. But I really try to keep it rooted in the
character’s personal journey. If I’m tempted to throw in a bit of action just
because the plot’s getting slow, that’s when it starts to feel gimmicky and
obvious. I think hard about this stuff, because while I love to play with genre
elements, I have a real fear of falling into genre cliches.
What would you personally do if faced with your former self?
And what is the nature of self? Are we fooling ourselves? Do we create our
identities daily? How much control do we really have?
I would love to see her. I thought a lot about her, writing
this book, and grew to really cherish that young woman and all of her many
avoidable mistakes and misguided notions. I’d tell her to worry less and claim
more space.. As for the question about identity, it’s so interesting that you
should ask that. In the last year, I’ve been delving a bit into Buddhist
psychology. I’m so intrigued by the notion of identity and self as meaningless,
fluid, transient. Obviously, writing You Again, it’s all about deeply invested
in the idea of self. But now I wonder if we can actually do away with that
notion. Without a concept of “self,”
what would be left to us? Enlightenment, a Buddhist might say. I just
enjoy pondering it all. I have no answers, that’s for sure.
We question our memories—that resonated for me, because there have been studies
of implanted memories, so we can never really know what’s true, and even if it
isn’t true, but we believe it, what we do about it?
You’re making me think of the Buddhists again! They might
say that the only thing that’s truly, indisputably real is the present moment.
Some of us are suffering at this moment, some are content, many of us are just
sleepwalking through it. Everything else--not just our memories, but our fears,
our loves, almost of all that occupies our minds--are the stories we tell
ourselves. Vital stories--because we make choices and take action based on our
understanding of them. But it makes sense to me that memories can be
unreliable. They are experiences saved in story form on the great hard drive of
our brains-- maybe our most basic creative work?
So much of this astonishing book is about choice. I especially focused on the
“former.” Abigail, a former artist who is now a senior art director for a
pharmaceutical company. Her husband who also is a “former” creative. It resonated
for me big time, because while I was struggling to be a writer, I had to have a
job job working for a company, and I somehow told myself when I had saved 500K
I could quit. (Of course I never had that, and I quit anyway.) But the whole
notion that sooner or later you have to “grow up” and if you haven’t made it
yet, give up the struggle and do something “adult,” got under my skin. So in a
way, would you say that this isn’t just about choice, but about what we CHOOSE
to believe about ourselves?
Absolutely! From all the above, I think it’s clear that I’m
fascinated by how we are controlled by our perceptions, beliefs, the stories we
tell to ourselves. With age, we can look back on our choices and see how they
were not necessarily made based on careful weighing of the facts. If that were
the case, no one would ever fall in love! So yes, I used to think that being a
grown-up meant listening to the “nos” I was getting from the publishing world
and taking a “real job.” Of course, I needed the paycheck, so it was essential,
as it is almost everyone. I didn’t have to internalize those rejections though.
Now I understand “being a grown-up” as doing good and creating meaning, however
and whenever I can. As long as I find writing a meaningful way to spend my remaining
time on this earth, that’s reason enough to keep doing it, and I can figure out
how to pay the bills too.
What, besides the terrifying state of our world, is
obsessing you now?
I’m obsessed with trying not to be terrified, I think. We
need calm and steady hearts and heads right now. So I’m searching for ways to
get myself there, and to help others do the same, so we can finally win some of
these crucial fights. Also, I’m very busy keeping the blight off my tomato
plants. Every morning I pluck all the yellow leaves.
What question didn’t I ask that I should have?
Who makes the best vanilla soft-serve cone in New England?
I’ve done extensive research over many summers. DM me and I’ll share my
findings.
EVENTS!
July 8, YOU AGAIN live virtual launch party sponsored by McNally Jackson Books, NYC—with Cheryl Pearl Sucher on Zoom. More info REGISTER HERE , 7 pm EST
July 15, YOU AGAIN and Us Again—Conversation with Kahane Cooperman, sponsored by Wachtung Booksellers, Montclair, NJ, live on Crowdcast at 8 pm, REGISTER HERE