Okay, so here is the story. Years ago I picked up this novel in a bookstore called The Waiting Room, by Mary Morris, and I became obsessed with it. It was so good that I was determined to somehow meet the writer and yes, I sort of stalked her, until fate had it that I had a reading with her husband, Larry, also a writer. A friendship was forged!
All of her books are remarkable. Her first collection of stories, Vanishing Animals & Other Stories, was awarded the Rome Prize in Literature from the American Academy and Institute of Arts & Letters. Her novel The Jazz Palace was the winner for the 2016 Anisfield Wolf Award for Fiction. She's the author of The Lifeguard Stories, Nothing to Declare: Memoirs of a Woman Traveling Alone, Wall to Wall: from Beijing to Berlin by Rail, and Angels & Aliens: A Journey West. Her five novels, include The Waiting Room, The Night Sky and House Arrest, Her latest book,All the Way to the Tigers is a memoir about tigers, of course, exotic journeys., and going to India to find the tigers--and herself.
It's a book that is already wracking up the raves, too:
"The interesting question Morris asks of her own adventurous and
courageous life — “How do we walk a thin line between sane and savage,
between wild and tame?” — is the beating heart of this book." The New York Times
Fact:
Mary Morris is the best travel writer alive. I am humbled by her skill
at using the bones of a journey to get to the heart of herself. She’s a
master of the craft.”
—Jodi Picoult, New York Times bestselling author of A Spark of Light and Small Great Things
“Mary Morris has long been a master memoirist, and All the Way to the Tigers is among her finest works. Brave, layered, complex, and deeply human.”
—Dani Shapiro, New York Times bestselling author of Inheritance and Hourglass
“Mary Morris so seamlessly combines her interior and exterior
experiences, the effect is simply magical, the work of a virtuoso. The
journey inside the author’s own mind is every bit as captivating as the
trip itself. I’d follow her anywhere.”
—Robert Kolker, New York Times bestselling author of Hidden Valley Road
Thank you so much, Mary!
What is it about
tigers that we all find so fascinating?
That’s such a basic question and yet it’s not that easy to
answer. But tigers have been a source of
fascination to people for centuries. They
are actually the most popular animal in the world – ahead of dogs. Think about the crazy popularity of Netflix’
“The Tiger King.” I can’t imagine that
show would have had as much popularity if it had been called, say, “The Giraffe
King.”
I’m sure that part of the fascination is what William Blake
referred to in his most famous poem, and most anthologized poem in the English
language, “The Tyger.” Blake, the poet,
recognized “thy fearful symmetry” that is their beauty. They are beautiful creatures. They are also solitary apex predators. There is no flock or herd of tigers. They hunt and kill by stealth. Think of that short story, “The Lady and the
Tiger.” There are two doors. One that offers your heart’s desire. The other that offers your worst nightmare. We are drawn to tigers for their beauty and by
their danger, for their solitude and their stealth. They’re a little like artists, aren’t they?
What’s so interesting about your memoir
is that while you are exploring tigers, you are also exploring yourself. What
didn’t you expect to find out about each that you did?
When I began my journey, the goal was to literally find a
tiger. But what happened became much
more profound. When I learned, for
example, that all unseen tigers in the jungle are referred to as “she” as in
“she’s out there,” that really struck me.
And when I learned that you don’t look for tigers; you look for signs of
tigers. Again these seem to be metaphors
for what it means to be a woman and a writer.
I guess I didn’t expect to identify with them as I have.
What was your research like? What
surprised you the most? And what did you have to leave out that you wished you
could keep?
Well, first before I went on a physical journey, I read
everything I could about tigers. A book
that really impacted me is called THE TIGER by John Valliant. It’s about an Amur tiger in Siberia that
actually bears a grudge against a specific person and seeks revenge. Incredible book. I think what surprised me the most is how
deeply rooted our fascination is with tigers.
For example the blaze that appears on every tiger’s head is the same as
the Chinese character for emperor.
Honestly so much surprised and fascinated me. In terms of what I wished I could have kept,
I had a lot more writing about India in the book – in particular my trip to
Varanasi but my editor felt it took away from the search for tigers. You have to pick your battles as they say and
in this case I agreed to let the material go.
I think it was the right call for the book, but I do wish it could have
stayed.
I loved the whole
elegant structure of the book, and it truly is hypnotic in form. What was it
like mapping it out, or did it come to your organically?
Ha, well, the original draft which I finished in 2013 was
four hundred pages long and included all that India material and stuff about
other trips including Morocco and it was a big sprawling mess, quite frankly. A
lot of editors turned it down and I put it away for a while. Then my friend, Dani Shapiro, read it and
told me the only thing that mattered was me, tigers, and my personal narrative
so I literally got rid of hundreds of pages.
But that’s not new for me. I tend
to render my material like soup. At some
point I decided that I wanted the book to somehow resemble a tiger so (and this
might sound crazy) I began to think of those sentence long chapters as stripes
and I needed to have an even number (112) because a tiger is like a Rorschach
test – a mirror image of itself. I
revised it and shrank it down to the length it is now – though it sat in a
drawer for almost two years. I wasn’t
sure I’d ever publish it, but then I was late on a book I had to deliver and my
editor, Nan Talese, said, “Oh dear” because that left a hole in her schedule
and then I said, “well I do have that tiger book…” So the short answer: Is it organic if it takes seven years? Well, maybe.
It did in the end feel that this was the right way to tell this story.
So much of your work is about what it is
like to be a woman traveling alone. Was there ever a moment when you felt
unmoored, as if you couldn’t do this? And why do you think it might be
important for every person to travel alone, at least once?
I feel unmoored all the time and yes there were definitely
moments when I felt as if I couldn’t do this.
As you know from the book, I had a terrible accident that I hadn’t fully
recovered from when I went to India and also I was very sick the whole time I
was there with what appears to have been bronchitis. It is tough being on the road alone. But what did someone say was the definition
of courage? Being afraid but doing it
anyway.
Paul Theroux once said that the only real travel is solo
travel. I don’t know if I entirely
believe this, but there is something about being with yourself, alone on the
road, having your wits about you, but at the same time, as Indiana Jones said,
not being afraid to make it up as you go along.
Being alone on the road brings us face to face with our fears about our
own aloneness but it also puts us in touch with our courage and the natural
reserves we perhaps didn’t even know we had.
If I may share an example from another journey – in 1986 I
travel alone from Beijing to Berlin by rail.
It became a book called WALL TO WALL.
As the train was crossing from Inner Mongolia into Siberia, we had a
stop and a Soviet border guard came into my compartment. He was young and strong and I was
terrified. I gave him a package of
cigarettes that he was eyeing, but he was also looking at my Walkman. I happened to have a tape of Rachmaninoff’s 2nd
piano concerto and I put it into the Walkman and put the headphones on
him. When I turned on the music, he
closed his eyes and swayed. Then I
popped the cassette out and tucked it into his breast pocket and he left
peacefully. I took a chance and it
worked. Moments like that don’t happen
if you’re on an organized tour.
What, beside the
virus and politics, is obsessing you now and why? And what is it like for you
having a book come out in the midst of all this chaos?
Well, I am totally obsessed with the current crises we are
all facing. I can’t stop listening and
watching the news. It’s also not ideal,
having a book coming out right now, but on the other hand so many people such
as yourself, Caroline, A Mighty Blaze, bookstores, marketing people have stepped
up to the plate to make the most of this very difficult moment. Right now what is obsessing me is that I’m
about to have my first grandchild in two months and I want the world to be a
safer, better place. We all have a lot
of work to do. That’s what’s obsessing
me at the moment.
What question didn’t’ I ask that I
should have?
Part of the tiger book is about the fact that I had a devastating
accident in 2008 that left me housebound for three months. My doctor wasn’t sure if I’d walk again. I think the question I’d like to answer here
is what did I learn from that time of being housebound that has perhaps
informed this present moment we are living in.
Truthfully when I had my accident in 2008 I sank into such a dark
hole. I had no idea how I would move
forward both literally and physically.
It was difficult and it took about a year, but I did move forward and I
walked again and really I’m fine. The
lessons I learned about being housebound in 2008 have served me well in our
current state of lockdown. Here is what
I try to do every day. I try to be
productive. I try to do something for my
body, my mind, and for someone else. I
begin every morning by making a list – what do I have to do today, what do I
want to do today, what can I do to make someone else’s life better. And honestly in some ways I’ve never been
busier or, dare I say it, happier. I am
grateful for every day.